My question originates from this answer by Kulisty, where it is stated that the notion of orientation can be defined using only the axioms of neutral geometry. I am particularly interested in proving the transitivity of that orientation relation.
Since my context is Euclidean geometry (thus allowing for the use of congruence and parallelism), I interpret the concept in terms of free Euclidean vectors. Specifically:
Let $(l, m)$ be a pair of distinct, non-adjacent oriented half-lines issuing from a common origin $O$. This pair induces an half-plane $M$: it has the full line that contains the half-line $l$ as boundary and contains $m$ in its interior.
Now, given two such pairs $(l, m)$ and $(l', m')$, both originating from the same point $O$, I define the relation $\sim$ as follows: $$ (l, m) \sim (l', m') \quad \text{iff} \quad \left(l' \subset M \land l \nsubseteq M'\right) \lor \left(l' \nsubseteq M \land l \subset M'\right) $$ This relation is intended to capture the same notion of orientation as defined by Kulisty. The case where $l = l'$ (or $l=-l'$) is straightforward and omitted from the definition for brevity.
Now, since I am working in Euclidean geometry, I translate this into the language of vectors: to each pair $(l, m)$ I associate a pair of normalized orthogonal vectors $(\vec{l}, \vec{m})$. Then, the orientation relation above is equivalent to requiring that the determinant of the change-of-basis matrix from $(\vec{l},\vec{m})$ to $(\vec{l'}$, $\vec{m'})$ is positive.
However, I am looking for a proof of transitivity of the relation $\sim$ without appealing to the sign of the determinant.
Additionally, I am interested in extending this notion of orientation to 3-dimensional Euclidean space. In the plane, orientation corresponds to choosing a "direction" (e.g., counterclockwise), whereas in 3D it corresponds to choosing between left-handed and right-handed systems.
My questions are:
- Can transitivity of the relation $\sim$ be proved purely in geometric (synthetic or vector-based) terms, avoiding any reference to the determinant sign?
- Is there a natural way to define an analogous orientation relation between triples of non-coplanar vectors in 3D Euclidean space that corresponds to the usual right-hand rule?
(July 7th edit: added a reformulation)
Given a fixed coordinate system on the plane $E$, the pair of half-lines $(l, m)$ determines a linear function $\phi(x, y)$ such that $\phi(P) = 0$ for all points $P \in l$, and $\phi(P) > 0$ for all points $P \in m$. The relation $(l_1, m_1) \sim (l_2, m_2)$ can then be reformulated as $\phi_1(l_2) \cdot \phi_2(l_1) < 0$.
- Reflexivity, symmetry, and transitivity would be straightforward to prove,
- The existence of exactly two orientation classes follows immediately,
- It generalizes naturally to 3D, which is a nice bonus.
Would you agree that this is a valid simplification, or am I overlooking a subtlety?
– Antonio Jul 08 '25 at 06:09