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Let $R$ be a commutative ring with unity. Let $A$ and $B$ be commutative $R$-algebras. Let $\varphi: A \to B$ be an $R$-algebra homomorphism which is an epimorphism. Let $J \subseteq B$ be an ideal. Assume that $\varphi^{-1}(J) = \{0\}$. Does it follow that $J = \{0\}$?

Here, I mean an epimorphism in the sense that for every commutative $R$-algebra $C$ and any two maps $\psi_1, \psi_2: B \to C$ with $\psi_1 \circ \varphi = \psi_2 \circ \varphi$, it follows that $\psi_1 = \psi_2$. In particular, an epimorphism does not need to be surjective.

At the very least, this is true in the following cases:

  1. If $K \subseteq A$ is an ideal and $\newcommand\quotient[2]{{^{\Large #1}}/{_{\Large #2}}} \pi: A \to \quotient{A}{K}$ is the natural projection, this is true since it follows that $K = \operatorname{ker}(\pi) = \pi^{-1}(\{0\}) \subseteq \pi^{-1}(J) = \{0\}$, so that actually $\pi$ is just the identity.

  2. If $S \subseteq A$ is a multiplicatively closed subset and $\iota: A \to S^{-1} A$ is the natural inclusion, this is true because we have $J = \langle \iota(\iota^{-1}(J)) \rangle = \langle \iota(\{0\}) \rangle = \{0\}$.

Geometrically, this should mean the following: If a map $f: Y \to X$ is injective and $A \subseteq Y$ is a closed subset of $Y$ such that the image $f(A)$ of $A$ under $f$ is all of $X$, then $A$ must have already been all of $Y$.

  • (Before someone else makes the same mistake I did, note that an epimorphism of $R$-algebras is not necessarily surjective.) – pancini Nov 05 '25 at 19:34
  • @pancini Thanks, I added a note about this to the question. – Elia Immanuel Auer Nov 05 '25 at 19:36
  • Sorry this might not help with the problem, but since an R-algebra morphism is an R-mod homomorphism l, why should the R-algebra epi morphism be surjective since R-mod epimorphisms are? – Ubik Nov 05 '25 at 21:04
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    @Ubik If $f: A \to B$ is an epimorphism in the category of commutative $R$-algebras, it doesn't have to be an epimorphism in the category of $R$-modules. For example, we can take $R = \mathbb{Z}$, $A = \mathbb{Z}$ and $B = \mathbb{Q}$. Then the map $\mathbb{Z} \hookrightarrow \mathbb{Q}$ is an epimorphism in the category of commutative rings but is not an epimorphism in the category of abelian groups. – Elia Immanuel Auer Nov 05 '25 at 21:15

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This is not true, here's an example: the homomorphism $\mathbb Z\to\mathbb Z[1/2]\times\mathbb Z/2\mathbb Z$ is an epimorphism in the category of rings, and then you can take something like $J=0\times\mathbb Z/2\mathbb Z$.

This examples comes from the idea of a "solid" ring, which is a ring $A$ such that the natural map $\mathbb Z\to A$ is an epimorphism of rings; you can read about these here, they've got a nice classification: https://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2021/09/solid_rings.html

TY Mathers
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  • Thanks! Do you know how to actually prove that $\mathbb Z\to\mathbb Z[1/2]\times\mathbb Z/2\mathbb Z$ is an epimorphism? – Elia Immanuel Auer Nov 06 '25 at 08:27
  • See https://mathoverflow.net/questions/109/what-do-epimorphisms-of-commutative-rings-look-like/110443#110443 for other characterizations, and properties (and names -- they get reinvented every other year) for those "solid rings" i.e. commutative rings for which the map $\mathbb Z \rightarrow R$ is an epimorphism. – Torsten Schoeneberg Nov 06 '25 at 15:40